纯好奇:上哪抓非法移民?走线进来的都是BH等上庭,这种属于合法吧

When was the last time the US Census asked about citizenship?.

1950年前问过这个问题,1950年后好像也没有什么宪法修正案说不问
问不问公民这个貌似不在宪法里面
宪法规定了人口调查不能问公民了?好像没有吧

宪法说了需要10年统计一次,没说可以不可以问公民,好像也没说席位调整按照总数,还是按照公民总数,这个政府就有操作空间,而且可以让高院释法

The U.S. Constitution's Article I, Section 2, Clause 3, also known as the Enumeration Clause or the Census Clause, mandates that the U.S. government conduct a census every 10 years. The census has several purposes, including:
Apportionment
The census determines how many representatives each state has in the U.S. House of Representatives by dividing the 435 seats among the 50 states based on population.
Federal funds
The census data is used to distribute billions of dollars in federal funds to local communities.
Community development
The census helps communities decide where to build schools, hospitals, supermarkets, and homes.
Legislative districts
The census is used to draw the lines of legislative districts. 
 
The Constitution's framers chose population as the basis for sharing political power instead of wealth or land. The census also ensures that comparative state political power in the House reflects comparative population, not wealth.

可以问,但是就算问了,知道他不是公民,是非法移民,一样要把他的人头算上分配众议院席位,宪法修正案写的就是Whole number of persons,他可以大大方方说自己非法移民,你也要给他分配席位

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明年选举后就不好说了,加拿大鸡贼的很呢,现在就开始关闭移民的大门了

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哪条写着的?高院没有打过这个官司吧,也没有作出解释吧
之前政府按照惯例不管是不管
这届政府管不管我不知道
但是宪法没有明确这个问题吧,没到明确说明全部都算吧

宪法第十四修正案里写的,众议院席位分配是根据各州的“whole number of persons”这是原文,所以基本上没有给高院解释的空间,即使是保守派的高院也不可能把persons定义为citizen

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The Supreme Court case Department of Commerce v. New York , decided in June 2019, found the rationale to add the question was arbitrary and capricious and required the department to provide a better reasoning before inclusion. The department dropped the question by the form’s publication time.[19] Following the decision, Trump issued an executive order directing the department to obtain citizenship data from other federal agencies rather than via the census.[20] On July 21, 2020, Trump signed a presidential memorandum ordering the exclusion of illegal immigrants from the numbers in the 2020 census that are used to apportion seats in the House of Representatives.[21]

最后Trump还是让2020 census的data去掉了非法移民哪部分
这个没有challenge啊,wiki上写的啊
高院针对这个问题的大概意思就是程序不合法,没有否认,高院向来不喜欢直接立法。

你要强行解释哪个就是所有人,那你按照你理解去理解就行了,我也不是法律专家
我想指出的是,目前这个没人挑战,这个下届政府或者未来政府可以行政明确,然后对手去高院挑战,看看高院是不是会解释的和你一样

这仅仅针对人口普查是否增加询问对方是不是公民身份,这个不涉及众议员席位分配,就算增加了人口普查询问是否是公民也不影响众议员席位分配,非法移民就算不是公民,也可以大胆的说,就算加州人口全是非法移民,该给的席位一个都不能少。最高院从来没对非法移民是否进人口普查分配席位有质疑

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也没有承认吧,民不告官不纠
说的就是这个想搞可以搞

高院有判例或者司法解释过这个事情明确确认这里all the person包括非法移民?你找找先,我也好奇,不着急,你慢慢来

这个回答最经典,理直气壮,反正老子就是不走了你也没辙 :troll:

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我又好奇的去Google一下

这届House已经提过这个事情了,pass了
我不是争论这个事情最后结果,因为这届参议院是民主党的,显然就是个dead bill了,没有走完所有流程
就是说议会上可以提这个事情,而且就是说可以操作,如果GOP愿意的话,就看senate那边拿不拿的到60票,最后操作到挑战法院去释法

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写Whole number of persons还Whole number of persons,
甚麽叫Whole number of persons才是问题本身,你上法庭说非法移民是Whole number of persons九成是站不住脚,因为你理论上是不能登记纳入统计。
这问题跟用学生签证在州被问及你的身份的时候是一样的。

最高法院没有过相关的把非法移民算进去,但是有过解释是这个全部人是不管其身份如何,当时的本意主要是指黑奴,因为当时非法移民在美国不是一个问题,而美国当时认为黑奴本质上连“人”都算不上,然后最高院有说过不管其身份如何,到后来沿用到非法移民身上了。当时的最高法院比现在要保守的多,现在的保守派法院在当时那是自由多了,所以我个人认为最高院不会去重新解释这个问题,除非国会立法专门去解释,不过就跟你说的一样参院拿不到60票也没办法立法,最终大概率就是卡在这里,而且给gop的时间就2年,我甚至都认为川普这两年都不会处理这事他有太多其他的要搞了,只能说无奈也没办法

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不同意你的观点
尊重你有不同观点

House已经投过一次了,GOP想干就能再来一次,我就提供一个思路而已

咱们想法一样的,泥潭里不管支持gop还是dem肯定都支持严卡非遗,不会有人支持非遗的,不过我想你心里也知道,这个在senate肯定攒不够60票的

对,连庇护的申请者都可以要求本区的议员写信催usics办案呢

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跑个题,25岁(含)之前入境的无证移民也需要注册兵役登记,任何类别的i94逾期三十天以上就算。否则将来洗白拿绿卡之后的入籍资格要被推迟五年:

According to law, a man must register with Selective Service within 30 days of his 18th birthday. Selective Service accepts late registrations up until a man reaches his 26th birthday.
Failure to register is a felony and non-registrants may be denied the following benefits for life:
State-based student loans and grant programs in 31 states
Federal job training under the Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act (formerly Workforce Investment Act)
Federal (and many state and local) jobs
Up to a 5-year delay of U.S. citizenship proceedings for immigrants

Who Needs to Register
Immigrants & Dual Nationals
Immigrants
U.S. immigrants are required by law to register with the Selective Service System 30 days after their 18th birthday or 30 days after entry into the United States if they are between the ages of 18 and 25. This includes U.S. born and naturalized citizens, parolees, undocumented immigrants, legal permanent residents, asylum seekers, refugees, and all males with visas of any kind which expired more than 30 days ago.
The few individuals who are exempt from this requirement are those on current non-immigrant visas, as long as they remain on a valid visa up until they turn 26. If you have received a letter from us requesting that you register, please send us copies of supporting documentation to show you are exempt.

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撑死胆大的 饿死胆小的

按照DHS的统计文件所述,旅游签进来婚绿或者EB5的可能在等待期间也不属于legal resident,虽然并没有unlawful presence。

倒是学签工签人士在i94失效之前是属于legal resident的。临时居民也是居民,但是游客不是:crazy_face:

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其实泥潭里讨论的合法EB移民的痛苦是中印专属的,甚至港澳台除外,他真的,我哭死:confounded:ROW只要有雇主sponsor就有机会在STEM OPT到期之前把绿卡办好:disappointed:

但是,简单来说,只要不主动离境,也不犯事,尤其是如果生活在庇护州,大概永远不会被优先遣返。

有条件的可以考虑喊在国内的家人们在川普上台之前办或者续一下十年B1/B2以备不时之需:pleading_face:我们离境不太方便,很可能影响到留美进程,家人们拿着十年多次旅行签证来看望我们相对而言是很方便的。虽然来美国游山玩水好费钱是真的。

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yysy,B签进来婚绿是大大的red flag吧,就算呆满90天法理上说得过去了这也不是啥好事吧,碰上较真的真能卡一阵

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