20年的Treasury 5%,值得买点吗?

:joy:我也不知道,那些是我google的,具体term太复杂了我没研究过再加上我们这没州税 so

高风险高收益。

自己顶一下来问个新问题,这个5%的yield是怎么计算出来的? Coupon(3.125)/Price(76.535)=4.08%的年回报率。 然后是面值(100-76.535)/76.535=30.66%的一次性capital gain. 但是怎么得到这个5% yield的?

用gpt算了下,yield确实是5%,跟我们传统理解的5%利率不同是因为债券年化收益考虑了未来现金流折现,国债的票息逐年发放,削弱了复利效应。

20 年后fidelity还在么?withdraw的时候怎么办?国债20年后肯定还有,但官网不让出金和入金不一样,改很麻烦,我之前遇到过这个问题。

国债是稳,可惜稳定赔钱。
政府公布的CPI说,比起疫情以前,美元只贬值了22%。你信吗?

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这招好:

can you tell me how to calculate the apy for treausuries bond with coupon is 3.125, price is 76.535, 20 years, redemption value is 100?

ChatGPT said:

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To calculate the Annual Percentage Yield (APY) for a Treasury bond, you use the following formula, which accounts for both the coupon payments and the price appreciation over the bond’s lifetime:

APY=(Coupon Payment+Price Appreciation Per YearPrice)1Years−1APY = \left( \frac{\text{Coupon Payment} + \text{Price Appreciation Per Year}}{\text{Price}} \right)^{\frac{1}{\text{Years}}} - 1APY=(PriceCoupon Payment+Price Appreciation Per Year​)Years1​−1

Here’s how you can compute it step by step:


1. Gather the data:

  • Coupon rate = 3.125%3.125%3.125%
  • Face value (Redemption value) = 100100100
  • Price = 76.53576.53576.535
  • Years to maturity = 202020

2. Calculate the coupon payment:

Coupon Payment=Face Value×Coupon Rate=100×0.03125=3.125\text{Coupon Payment} = \text{Face Value} \times \text{Coupon Rate} = 100 \times 0.03125 = 3.125Coupon Payment=Face Value×Coupon Rate=100×0.03125=3.125

3. Calculate the total price appreciation:

The bond will appreciate from 76.53576.53576.535 (current price) to 100100100 (redemption value).

Price Appreciation (Total)=Redemption Value−Price=100−76.535=23.465\text{Price Appreciation (Total)} = \text{Redemption Value} - \text{Price} = 100 - 76.535 = 23.465Price Appreciation (Total)=Redemption Value−Price=100−76.535=23.465

4. Calculate the yearly price appreciation:

Price Appreciation Per Year=Price Appreciation (Total)Years=23.46520=1.17325\text{Price Appreciation Per Year} = \frac{\text{Price Appreciation (Total)}}{\text{Years}} = \frac{23.465}{20} = 1.17325Price Appreciation Per Year=YearsPrice Appreciation (Total)​=2023.465​=1.17325

5. Calculate the yearly cash inflow:

This is the sum of the coupon payment and the yearly price appreciation:

Yearly Cash Inflow=Coupon Payment+Price Appreciation Per Year=3.125+1.17325=4.29825\text{Yearly Cash Inflow} = \text{Coupon Payment} + \text{Price Appreciation Per Year} = 3.125 + 1.17325 = 4.29825Yearly Cash Inflow=Coupon Payment+Price Appreciation Per Year=3.125+1.17325=4.29825

6. Compute the APY:

Substitute the values into the APY formula:

APY=(Yearly Cash InflowPrice)11−1APY = \left( \frac{\text{Yearly Cash Inflow}}{\text{Price}} \right)^{\frac{1}{1}} - 1APY=(PriceYearly Cash Inflow​)11​−1 APY=(4.2982576.535)−1APY = \left( \frac{4.29825}{76.535} \right) - 1APY=(76.5354.29825​)−1

7. Final Calculation:

APY=0.05615=5.615%APY = 0.05615 = 5.615%APY=0.05615=5.615%

Conclusion:

The APY for this bond is approximately 5.62%.

这完全取决于人的抗风险程度呀。国债是fixed income几乎没有风险的

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20年的股指,当然比国债稳。sp500持有时间越长,平均年化10%的回报率就越稳定。

不是算出来的。这个yield to maturity,是通过国债价格在市场中一笔一笔交易出来的,时时刻刻都在变。yield to maturity的上涨就是投资长期国债的风险。所以,千万千万不要把长期国债理解成长期CD!
只有Coupon rate不会变。
这个视频里有详细解释:

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不是快退休了买20年国债不如VOO
短期还能理解怕股市回调

论坛有多少人年纪到了voo风险都承受不起的年纪

建议和TLT神贴合并:rofl:

在fidelity买20年

中途能卖吗

但是所有跟国债一样稳的东西利率也都差不多

当然可以卖 随时都可以

哪有国债一样稳的产品?

比如 CD、AAA 的债券,这些的利率基本都跟国债一致;算不上一样稳但也是差不多了

你是真不怕股灾

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20年太长,5年5%我会考虑