HSBC HK CRS虽迟但到

最近有些关于CRS税务的讨论,主要针对股票账户,相关阅读贴在了3楼
现在HSBC HK银行也收到CRS要求,友情提示,如有税务规划,请及时更新管理

HSBC HK-Establish your Tax Residency through CRS Self-Certification

Establish your Tax Residency through CRS Self-Certification

Note: Please do not reply directly to this email.

Thank you for responding to our requests about Common Reporting Standard (“CRS”).

After review, we still need you to provide a Taxpayer Identification Number(s) (TIN) for certain Jurisdiction(s) of Tax Residence (“JoTR”)1.

### CRS and your tax residency
Under Hong Kong’s legislation2 on CRS, we are required to identify your tax residency3 (usually where you are liable to pay income taxes) and report the required information4 in respect of your account to the Inland Revenue Department if you are a tax resident of a reportable jurisdiction5.

In accordance with the legislative requirements, banks must confirm the reasonableness of the self-certification received based on the information obtained in connection with the opening of the account. (i.e. the “reasonableness” test). If any part of the self-certification is found to be incorrect, incomplete, or apparently in conflict with the information held by the banks, they must obtain a new self-certification form or an explanation and/or supporting documents from the customer.

In general, whether or not an individual is a tax resident of a jurisdiction (which is usually where you are liable to pay income tax) is determined by the person’s physical presence or stay in a place. A bank may require further information from customers below:

The bank identifies customer information on file that indicates a connection with a new or different CRS indicia, including but not limited to (e.g. identification of the account holder as a tax resident of a jurisdiction, an address in a jurisdiction, a power of attorney or signatory authority granted to a person whose address is in a jurisdiction, a hold mail or in-care-of address in a jurisdiction with no other address on file for the customer).


### What we need from you
To comply with the legislation, you need to provide and confirm your tax residency details. This process is called self-certification. You can do so by using one of the following submission methods:

Complete the process online
You can log on to HSBC Online Banking to access and complete the Individual Tax Residency Self-Certification online through “Update your tax residency Details” under “Banking”.

Submit the form via post

Download the Individual Tax Residency Self-Certification Form6 and return the completed form by post7.

Note: This is not applicable for customers who have not got any signature specimen in our bank record. If you open account through our HSBC HK App and did not provide any signature specimen through our branch before, please visit any HSBC branch in Hong Kong to submit the form to branch staff and provide your specimen signature for processing.


To learn which TIN(s) you still need to provide, or for other enquiries about your case, please call:

  • HSBC Global Private Banking customers (852) 2233 3033
  • HSBC Premier Elite customers (852) 2233 3033
  • HSBC Premier customers (852) 2233 3322
  • Other customers (852) 2233 3000

Please complete your self-certification at your earliest convenience to ensure our CRS reporting is based on accurate and up-to-date information. Without it, we will rely our records to identify your tax residency.

If you have multiple relationships with us, you may be approached by different parts of the HSBC Group. Your response to all our requests help us serve your better and capture your information accurately, and we are grateful for your assistance and support in providing this information.

Please visit our CRS website for details. If you have questions on your tax residency status, please visit the website of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (“OECD”). If you need tax advice, please speak to your tax advisor.

Thank you for your support and cooperation.

Notes:

  1. Possible reasons that we still need you to provide the TIN(s) for certain JoTR(s): (a) The TIN(s) provided in your previous reply does not match the concerned jurisdiction’s TIN format / requirements; (b) the country / territory of your current residential address and / or the mailing address in our record does not match with your indicated JoTR(s) in your previous reply, and we do not hold any documentation on file to explain why; and/or (c) the explanation in your previous reply as to why certain jurisdiction(s) is not your tax residency was not sufficient to explain your current circumstances.

  2. The “Inland Revenue (Amendment) (No.3) Ordinance 2016” and any subsequent legislative amendments.

  3. Your tax residency is the country/territory where you are a resident for tax purposes (usually where you are liable to pay income taxes).

  4. The information may include, but is not limited to, the account balance and the total amount of interest paid to the account.

  5. Hong Kong has activated exchange relationships for AEOI with other jurisdictions on the basis of bilateral competent authority agreements or a multilateral competent authority agreement under the Convention on Mutual Administrative Assistance in Tax Matters. The list of reportable jurisdictions may be updated from time to time. Customers may refer to the IRD website : Home > Tax Information - Individuals/Businesses > Double Taxation Relief and Exchange of Information Arrangements > Automatic Exchange of Financial Account Information > Reportable Jurisdictions for the latest information.

  6. Please visit our CRS website and navigate under “Related Content” to download the Individual Tax Residency Self-Certification Form. This website also provides further information on Individual Tax Residency Self-Certification Form (CRS-I (HK)) along with guidance on completion of the forms. Please ensure that you select the correct form as some of the forms have similar titles.

  7. Post the form to the following address:
    HSBC
    PO Box 74523
    Kowloon Central Post Office
    Hong Kong

  • 正常填的话Tax Residency应该是US,难道CN还会收US账户里dd工资的税?美国都扒了一层皮了
  • 还要提供SSN。一旦CRS掌握SSN,难道会根据SSN筛查其他账户?不过美国的股票账户遵守FATCA,CRS应该不掌握。除非是下面IGA这种情况
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这句话有点意思,如果我不填,他们就自行判断?? :yaoming:

【相关阅读】贴在这里

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既然他们来问了,你就跟hsbc说自己是美国税务居民就行了啊

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嗯嗯,lz没什么骚操作,如实回答。
发出来一是提醒下大家,二是看下其他方面有没有要提前规避的g点。
研究大佬的官方指引去了

Note that:

给我自己总结就是 别碰HSBC CN 和 HSBC HK :yaoming:

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看来香港只能用花旗了?能用墨绿开户吗。。

根本就不是用哪家銀行的問題。

你提交了美國手機號,銀行肯定要問你有沒有美國稅號。提交了美國地址/護照更要問。

除非把這些信息改掉否則你根本沒有機會違反稅務條例瞞報美國稅號,銀行系統跑批validate就不讓過的。

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上周刚去把HSBC CN的给关了,link到了我用HKID开的HSBC HK,感觉风险比较大。

客户经理问我为啥要关户,我说税务问题,她秒懂,感觉可能我也不是第一个去关的了。

接下来可能也得考虑把工资卡给换一家银行 :cry:

是换在HK的银行吗?HK的其他银行不会有这个问题?

感谢避雷

在CRS问题加剧以前,5年前我开户的时候,就想着,绝不能开HSBC CN,当然,后来想明白了HSBC的global view的一些细节,我现在也不敢主要用HSBC了。

是换香港本地的其他银行。

具体是这样的,其实HSBC HK本身也是安全的,因为我在香港的所有银行都是HKID开户,没有提供过CNID/护照/通行证,所以我的tax residency就是香港,不会被CRS,内地税务机关也无从(直接)知晓我的CNID和HKID的联系,最起码常规手段是获取不到。

但是我HSBC HK和HSBC CN因为卓越理财绑定,数据是互通的,理论上从HSBC CN能读到我在HSBC HK的很多个人信息,所以我比较担心会有风险。

目前根据小红书之类的DP来看,内地税务机关只能通过CRS获取到诸如年初年末account balance之类的非常general的信息,暂时还没有statement或者逐笔交易的数据(这就是为什么会要求自查自纠),所以理论上我维持HSBC HK的balance在一个稳定的水平的话,就算被关联上报了,也不会被flag,这样可以进一步降低风险。

而我在其他香港本地银行的账户暂时应该不会被上报。

是的,你考虑得比较长远,可以避免很多未来的风险。我之前贪图同名转账可以免费开了个HSBC CN,现在很后悔。

HSBC HK可以远程关户吗?最近几年可能回不去 :cry:

收到了

我刚才也收到了邮件了。

请问你有什么其他银行推荐的嘛,我之前纯粹是听别人说HSBC HK开户比较容易,去渣打或者其他银行都会要求最低存款。所以没开。

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