AMZN 亚马逊capex和债务对股价的预计

首先,利益相关:AMZN投资者,赔钱中所以预测有很大不确定
第二,非投资建议,错误希望有懂行的朋友指正。
第三,亚马逊最主要的估值来自于AWS,其他业务的数据没有具体核对,用了卖方预测。

作为在AMZN身上反复亏钱的人,财报前做了AMZN的功课,但实际上就是错了。

. 1.此预测主要有下面两个假设

  1. Amazon invest in Anthropic/OAI 现金流如下:
Item Amount What It Means
$50B FCF burn $50B Amazon’s massive capex cycle (AI infrastructure, data centers, logistics) is expected to consume most/all of its free cash flow. In 2025A, FCF was only $11.2B — down from $35.5B in 2024 — because capex is surging. This $50B represents cumulative FCF shortfall over the next 2-3 years as capex outpaces operating cash flow.
$50B OpenAI $50B Not literally investing in OpenAI — this refers to the competitive spending required to match OpenAI/Microsoft’s AI investment. Microsoft has committed ~$80B+ to AI infrastructure. Amazon/AWS must spend at a similar scale to remain competitive in foundation models and cloud AI services.
$15–25B Anthropic $15–25B Direct investment in Anthropic (Claude’s maker). Amazon has already committed up to $8B. The thesis is that Anthropic needs significantly more capital to compete at the frontier, and Amazon should fund it — both as a strategic investment and to keep AWS as the primary cloud provider for Anthropic’s training/inference.
$40–50B+ to run an $800B rev biz $40–50B Baseline working capital and maintenance capex to operate a ~$800B revenue business. This includes inventory, fulfillment infrastructure, delivery fleet, existing cloud capacity, etc. This IS the net working capital / maintenance component you asked about.
Less $100B cash ($100B) Amazon’s cash + marketable securities on hand (~$100B as of 2025). This is the offset against the total need.
  1. Additional $200 Capex,2026E实际上可能更多

** 2. 卖方观点预计:**

AWS对比其他Hyperscalers:

Company Cloud Growth (YoY) Key Context
Google (GCP) +48% Fastest growth among the giants; accelerating significantly.
Microsoft (Azure) +39% Stronger growth than AWS, driven heavily by AI demand.
Amazon (AWS) +24% Lowest percentage growth of the three. While revenue beat estimates ($35.6B vs $34.9B expected), it significantly trails peers in momentum.

2. 2026 CapEx Spending “Arms Race”

The primary shock in the thread (e.g., “$200B CapEx”) is Amazon’s massive spending forecast for 2026, which dwarfs its peers.

  • Amazon: ~$200 Billion (Projected). This is the “massive number” mentioned in the chat. It focuses on AI chips (Trainium), data centers, and satellites.
  • Google: $175 – $185 Billion (Projected). Second highest spender, nearly doubling its previous year’s spend.
  • Microsoft: ~$150 Billion (Estimated). Based on current run rates of ~$37.5B/quarter.
  • Meta: $115 – $135 Billion (Projected). Focuses heavily on AI infrastructure for social platforms rather than public cloud sales.

3. Main Points of Comparison

  • Spending vs. Growth Mismatch: The core negativity in the thread comes from the fact that Amazon is planning to spend the most money ($200B) while delivering the slowest cloud growth (24% vs. Google’s 48%).
  • Profit Margins: AWS margins were reported around 35%, which is healthy, but the “EBIT guide miss” mentioned in the chat suggests the massive spending is eating into overall profitability faster than investors like.
  • Investor Sentiment: While Google and Microsoft are seeing their spending rewarded with massive growth spikes (39-48%), Amazon’s “catch-up” spending is being viewed with skepticism, leading to the “ramen and fireball” comments about stock losses.

4. 个人计算,

主要都是AI推导的,SOTP我就不贴出来

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大部分是老印,就不看好,大家都在混

白人和国人很少

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我觉得这个倒不是主要问题,贝索斯时期也有这个问题,表现就很好。关键还是领导的方向和战略

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赞 有对GOOG的股价估计吗 是不是有点高估了 想止盈一部分换别的低估股

GOOG的还没做,但GOOG的问题是multiple太高,但实际上是整个的AI winner。昨天AMZN财报出来之后1分钟内,GOOG, META一起跌(2%~3%),就是市场再问ROIC的问题,整体来说这种Hyperscaler我觉得都是一个trade;现在我卖weekly cc on amzn;因为amzn/msft很可能成为long GOOG的短腿交易。

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请教一下为什么会得出这个结论呢?

因为现在绝大部分的buyside都是pod team, 追求的都是pure alpha,一个交易如果-7%可能一组人就没了。

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没看amzn,但google我算下来如果维持现在的growth rate i.e. 15-16%的search和40%-50%的GCP,因为depreciation明后年的operating margin会不好看。感觉会有两个结果,1)狗家很自信增速能继续往上涨,ie 16-18% yoy search和50%+ GCP 所以逃逸速度足够快把margin保持在现在水平甚至更高,bull case皆大欢喜;2)发现margin承压所以guidance上降低capex指引,挽救sentiment

自己瞎算瞎拍的,狗家disclosure没有很细

但有种预感劈柴既然敢说180B capex,是不是对GCP信心爆棚

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可以找找有没有amzn干过还看好amzn的人 :yaoming:

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GCP和AWS最大的优势就是 FCF正数,我看都是给GCP 26年 yoy 巅峰到60%+,但下面NTM应该是往下拉。

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主要是cloud revenue感觉没有outside-in 很好拆解的方式,拍了之后conviction不足,当然我还是手持googl的

GCP现在有多少容量都被订满了。

你这个是怎么算的 :yaoming:

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好专业大佬,那咱这么算年底也才218块 :yaoming:

你这也是有点搞笑。都正经投资研究了,还用这么low的分析方法。你看华尔街有人这么分析吗。

不如顺着你的思路分析。假设一个CEO=10万员工价值。

亚马逊CEO:白人安迪杰西 ,等价于10万白人亚麻员工。

谷歌CEO:老印混子劈柴 ,等价于10万老印混子谷歌员工。

亚马逊>谷歌。谷歌要完。亚马逊飞天。

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因为还有裁员1-2w人这招没用

$276, 因为是NTM的 f p/e;但AMZN长期是挺难挣钱的票,每次到250就很拉。看价值一直有,但是回报就是很少,这是ANDY JASSY这四年的图。

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200以下入 250以上卖 切记:joy:

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前亚麻员工,rsu从来不留,混了3年跑路。我觉得科技公司,员工素质还是第一位的,大家都混的心态搞不好。当然这是我的野鸡分析,不信就算了

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亚麻主要庄太狠了,和AMD一样。公司其实没问题,现在方向也意识对了:AI就是拼谁有钱有卡有电。model根本不值钱。

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